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More For Weinergate Addicts Only: Extra Starchild111 Caches

For those of you jonesing for some new Weinergate tidbit, here’s some screenshots of a couple of Starchild111 things I’ve located: a new profile cache from May 14, this one showing tweets. Plus, I have a shot of what possibly was her last public tweet as Starchild111, and it’s not on May 18. It’s much later.

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For Weinergate Addicts Only

I tried to post much of this information as a comment on a post over at Patterico’s Pontifications, but unfortunately, it kept getting caught in their spam filter. As a result, my lucky readers get a new Weinergate post to wet their whistles.

Early, two mornings ago, a reader sent me and another blogger a link to something I hadn’t seen before: an internet cached page showing the state of Starchld111’s Twitter account on April 6, 2011. It added insight into how that account evolved, coming in between the two caches of whole Twitter profile pages from January 1, 2011 and April 16, 2011 (as opposed to screenshots and other records  of various groups of and individual tweets) that we Weinergate addicts have had. The new cache was posted last night to Patterico for public perusal.

What does all of this show? Originally, I was attempting to respond to a Patterico commenter, MayBee, who asked how the profile could show that Starchild111 had only tweeted seven times on both the 1/1/11 and the 4/6/11 pages, when we know that the account tweeted @GingerLee in March—between the two dates.

But it goes further in providing clues as to who originally set up and continued to use the account, whether it is operated by the same person throughout, why the account was set up and used, and how the account was used.

Let’s take a look. Click below to see all the caches and follow me down the rabbit hole.

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Weiner Game: Which One Does Not Belong?

Your humble correspondent is a bit under the weather, so I’ll be brief. (Hey, no jokes about how I should always be under the weather then.)

News broke last night when tweeter @JoeBrooks brought us evidence that the photo-search website could not provide: proof that the Weinergate Starchild111 avatar was not of a 16-year-old California high school girl…unless she commutes from Melborne, Australia…and unless she’s only 11 years old in the photo. Brooks found a Facebook page that uses the very same photo as our Starchild111, but this supposedly Aussie person goes by the name (or pseudonym) of Missy Mazz. [Note: I say supposedly Aussie, because at this point, with so many fake accounts involved in this corner of Weinergate, who can say for certain this isn’t a sockpuppet Facebook account?]

Since then, Dan Riehl has found another matching Starchild111 avatar photo, seemingly the original photo, which was posted in a Flickr account in 2006. (The owner of the Flickr account calls the girl in the photo her best friend, Angela.) Plus I have found the photo on a beauty and makeup information bulletin board, in which the commenter has made only one post to the site under the name of RichWoman.

Lastly, Dan has found yet another person going by the nom de guerre of Starchild111. Let’s see if you can identify that person in a little game of “Which One Does Not Belong?”

A) Australian Facebook

B) Flickr Photo

C) Beauty discussion board GuruGossip

D) EmailFlirt


In other “Betty and Veronica” news:

Much more devastingly, @JoeBrooks found that the girl pictured in the Twitter photo avatar for Nikki’s supposed friend Marianela Alicea is actually a successful Spanish model, Claudia Albons. (Patterico shows the “Marianela”/”Veronica”‘s Twitter avatar next to Albons’ real photos.) Her website contains page after page of modeling shots, a treasure trove from which to draw not only a photo suitable for a staid school ID, but also candid shots with friends, all of which could be compiled into a teen scrapbook for a sockpuppet.

So I’m still wondering where did the puppetmaster get a school-ID-appropriate shot for Starchild111? There doesn’t seem to be a trove of photos of this girl from which to have chosen. In all the sites where she has so far been found depicted, there is just this one.

Other recommended reading for you home-gamers to stay fully abreast of the twists and turns in the ongoing Weiner saga: see AceOfSpades, and VerumSerum.

It’s time for Tommy Christopher at to release the faked photo IDs. The girls featured in the avatars are in no way underage any longer. Show us what the hoaxers used to fool you into believing them. There’s nothing left that’s truthful to protect on the IDs. There once was a point where it was prudent to withhold the faked IDs from public view. But now, they’ve been fully exposed as liars and thieves. Protecting them now is akin to abetting them.

UPDATE 6/22/11 4:30pm
To clarify, I don’t think the male Starchild111 shown here has anything to do with the Weinergate saga. In fact, I’m 97.5% sure the girls pictured in the Starchild111 and MarinelaAlicea avatars have absolutely nothing to do with Weinergate other than someone stole their photos and put them on Twitter accounts because they are beautiful girls.

I have also linked Tommy Christopher’s name above to his last “Betty and Veronica” story at Mediaite, in case you are unfamiliar with the tale of the ultra-pro-Weiner statements and faked photo IDs used to authenticate them. Also tweeter @ikeonic reminded me to mention that the Flickr photo comes from a young woman’s account who appears to have lived in Detroit around the time she posted the photo that has since been stolen for the Starchild111 Twitter avatar, making the photo quite a world traveler, supposedly going from Detroit to Melborne to Hollywood High—all while staying the same (or regressing in) age. The Fountain of Youth does exist….in the form of poached Twitter avatars.

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Meet Starchild111

Forget speculation on honey mustard in the Weiner affair. It’s now moved on to whether there has been a honey pot. Two teen girls and one of their mothers submitted false ID to a member of the media when they were trying to get their pro-Weiner message out. Now no one is sure who they are, or what they were up to. But some evidence still does exist proving there was a real person somehow involved: photos.

The Teens Come to Light
Back when Weinergate was bursting at the seams with new daily revelations, one issue that cropped up early was the teenage girls that Rep. Anthony Weiner (a Democrat formerly representing the 9th US House district of New York, located in Brooklyn-Queens) had followed through his Twitter account. One of those girls (who went by the Twitter name of @Starchild111 but had closed her account and had left no threads that enabled me to find her real identity) was included in my post breaking the news that Weiner had also followed and privately messaged a porn actress. The teen had hurriedly contacted Ginger Lee when the actress-turned-stripper tweeted that Weiner had sent her a DM (a private tweet known as a Direct Message).

Eventually, a woman claiming to be the teen’s mother contacted Tommy Christopher at the media website Mediaite. She and the girls wanted to issue statements of full-throated support for Weiner and absolve the congressman of any hint of impropriety with the girl she claimed was her daughter and her daughter’s friend (who had gone by the name of @MarianelaAlicea on Twitter). Christopher published their account of events and their full statements on June 3—after the mother had submitted a copy of her California driver’s license and school photo IDs for the girls as proof that they were who they claimed to be, the former owners of the Starchild111 and MarianelaAlicea Twitter accounts.

In his report, Christopher sought to protect the identity of the girls, who claimed to be minors, by obscuring their real names through use of pseudonyms. He dubbed Starchild111 “Betty” and called her friend “Veronica.” Henceforth, they became known on the Internet and in other media venues as “Betty and Veronica.”

Two weeks later, though, Jennifer Preston at the New York Times published a story late Friday night that said the proofs of ID that teen Weiner tweeter Betty and her mother provided to Christopher were false. Mediaite also confirmed in their own story by Colby Hall that the photo IDs had been faked.

Christopher himself added more explanation late last night in a new Mediaite post.

The Starchild111 Photo
For a period of time, the Starchild Twitter account used a photo of a real girl. [I have found that the account also temporarily used the Twitter Egg (a starter avatar for those who haven’t uploaded any image) at the beginning, and then eventually settled on a graphic image of white falling stars on a black background.]

When the story broke late Friday night that the photo IDs were fake, I wondered about that photo on the Twitter account and whether the girl in it matched the one in the faked school photo ID.

The Twitter avatar photo that I had was not an easy photo to find. I initially stumbled across it on an Albanian social media website the Saturday the Weiner scandal was first breaking. I was then able to locate the same photo on the Twitter servers in association with the former Starchild111 account.

This is the Starchild111 that I found. I have pixelated her face, because while the school ID of a person claiming to be Starchild has been faked, I don’t know for sure who this girl is, and therefore, I don’t know her age or the extent of her innocence in the duplicity. [I should also state that there is another woman on the vast World Wide Web that goes by the name of Starchild111. But in my cursory looks at the bulletin boards and sites where she comments, she appears to be much older, possibly living in the United Kingdom and seems to have no relation at all to the @Starchild111 Twitter account.]

So this girl at one point was affiliated in some fashion with Starchild111 tweets. [I also ran the photo through an internet website that will compare photos with nearly two billion others online to see whether it’s a photo that was simply grabbed from another site and therefore not unique. That site, TinEye, found no matches for the Starchild111 photo, greatly increasing the likelihood that it was indeed Starchild111, whatever her real name is.]

Other proof that we have is that someone affiliated with the Starchild111 account, which used this photo for a while:

  • started the account by at least August 2010;
  • used the account for tweeting with celebrities and friends
  • then started about Weiner in Spring 2011 and went on a tweet campaign to get Weiner to take her to the prom;
  • tended to pop up within hours of any woman appearing to have contact with Weiner on Twitter and made an effort to become ongoing friends with them and learn what Weiner was saying to them;
  • became disillusioned with Weiner when he unfollowed her after a very brief follow;
  • deleted her account once the Weiner scandal broke (or according to her statement to Mediaite, prior to the scandal);
  • and only reemerged through her supposed mother by making contact with Christopher at Mediaite, providing fake proof of ID in their (ultimately successful) attempt to get a wildly pro-Weiner statement published at his website.


Did this one girl do all that?

Or did the person controlling the Starchild111 account change over time? Once the account was closed, virtually anyone could step up and claim to be Starchild111. And someone did. How do we know it was the same girl? That is what Christopher attempted to get at partially in collecting the photo IDs.

The Moment Someone Could Get Tripped Up
Consider this: If the account had been taken over by people intending to protect Weiner and issue a ridiculously over-the-top statement of support for him, did they know that there was a previous photo out there of Starchild111 that they would have to match if required to provide proof of identity? If they knew about the photo but didn’t know the girl in it, would they be simply out of luck if they had to get a new photo of her that would be an appropriate pose for an ID shot?

I wondered, did the fake school photo ID (which obviously could not include a dog as the primary foreground figure) show the same girl, of the same race and general appearance as in the Twitter photo? Or would the statement-writers have complicated matters further by providing a photo of a girl that looked nothing like the Starchild111 avatar photo?

I contacted everyone that I knew had seen the school ID. Preston of the New York Times has yet to respond to my two requests made on Saturday. However, Christopher confirms, via email, that this picture is the one that he compared Betty’s student ID with, and concluded that both photos were of the same person.

Therefore, with the match, the person or group of people that contacted Christopher after the scandal either includes the young woman portrayed in the Starchild Twitter avatar photo or knows her and was able to obtain a photo of her with a school ID pose.

Using the Photo as an Assist to Solving the Mystery
Ace has outlined three theories of the mystery of Betty and Veronica. Before I had confirmation that the Starchild avatar and school ID depict the same girl, I was in Ace’s Theory Three camp: the girls were real teens to start, but later when the Weiner scandal was breaking and they shut their accounts, others—Weiner operatives—began posing as them.

(Ace has also posited some thoughts that perhaps there were Anthony Pellicano enforcer-type tactics used to coerce the accounts away from the girls. I hate to think of politics as being that sick and thuggish in this day and age, but it would be hard to fully deny the sad, yet unlikely possibility. Other theorists suggest it was Democratic political operatives seeking to harm Weiner’s chances in a New York mayoral run. Or that it was a spurned girlfriend or just a jealous sexter that realized she wasn’t the only one. It could fill an entire lengthy post to sketch out all the theories and conspiracies tossed around in the past 48 hours.)

However, with the Starchild111 photos showing the same girl, it’s possible that Ace’s Theory One could be correct: the accounts were always complete fakes (as in purporting to be normal teenage girls with no political motives when in essence they were plotting to either help or hurt Weiner, and they were really high-paid sophisticated operatives that merely carried out their plan in a strangely Three Stooges fashion) from the very beginning. That they intentionally set up these girlie accounts to…do what? To behave in very pro-Weiner manners to pry damaging Weiner info from anti-Weiner conservative tweeters in order to harm the person they wish to protect?

It doesn’t make sense. What did they accomplish? Dampening criticism of Weiner in a scandal they could not have know would occur?

And if they were fake from the git-go, why would they have ever used Starchild111’s photo and locked themselves in on having to keep that girl involved? Names and addresses and details are quite easy to fake and maneuver around to fit the situation. (Take a look at anyone’s resume.) But a photo, even in the days of Photoshop, that’s making a commitment that is hard to back off of or change later.

Oddly enough, it seems that’s one thing that still matches up with the fake IDs.

UPDATE 6/20/11
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Ginger's New Gig

[NOTE: Ginger Lee’s statement on Congressman Anthony Weiner’s resignation can be found in the update at the bottom of this post.]

Ginger Lee gave a press conference today, with her new lawyer, media-crazed Gloria Allred. (I don’t typically read celebrity gossip sites or watch breathy “entertainment” shows such as Extra! or Inside Hollywood [I think that’s a name of one, isn’t it?], so I just about missed the news entirely.)

Ginger supposedly felt the need to hire an attorney because some man was threatening her. That sounds horrible, awful—until we learn it was not a threat to harm her physical safety. No, it was a threat to release a statement that she had not authorized. What? Is there any man that would want to release a statement for her other than Rep. Anthony Weiner (or one of his staff on his behalf)? Yet, at the press conference called to address this very issue, Allred refused to name the man. She would only say that he knows who he is, and they (Allred and Ginger) have the proof of it.

Ginger also reiterated her charge that Weiner had asked her to lie for him, and Allred creepily read from three emails in which Weiner tried to engage Ginger in a discussion of his “package.” That’s where I felt a bit sorry for her. If that’s the most brazen of Weiner’s sexy talk with her, I suspect it was rather bland communications. She was emphatic that no photos had been exchanged (although Weiner had apparently perused the numerous photos of her on her Tumblr blog).

This was Ginger’s opportunity to cash in on the scandal. If she had any super racy messages or obscene photos from Weiner, this was her one shot to release them. (Otherwise, it will be her later having to say that she was lying as well.) However, it seems that having Gloria Allred as her attorney is far more sensational than the actual communications with the congressman. Good for Ginger if she denied him the pleasure he was seeking. I don’t doubt her statements that he wanted what she wasn’t giving.

Jim Treacher at the Daily Caller said he wouldn’t live-blog the press conference, but couldn’t help himself. See his quick outline of the sideshow, which concludes with a few Catskills-worthy jokes about the media-loving attorney and her porn star client.

Unfortunately, only a few short video clips from the press conference are currently available online; I can find no full unedited video of the show.) Here’s TMZ’s typically raunchy juvenile edit, which features a couple of typical Allred awkward public relations moment:

Here’s a more mature edit by some guy with a pleasant accent:

Here’s Ginger’s full, unedited statement:

Lastly, here’s the most complete version, with both Gloria Allred’s and Ginger’s statements, along with a few questions from the media at the end:

I hope someone will please upload the full press conference portion. The Q&A session was the most illuminating, and Allred made several misstatements…or untruths.

Allred concluded the press conference saying that her client would not be able to do interviews after the press conference due to her heavy schedule. We now see that schedule involved flying off to Atlanta to begin capitalizing on her increased name recognition due to her Weiner connection.

The poster for her two-night appearance at the Pink Pony is quite amusing, reading: “Exclusive engagement” “The Pink Pony has done it again!!! We present Ginger Lee, the pornstar connected with the “peter tweeter” in Weinergate. June 15th & 16th. 2 shows a nite. 8:30pm & 11:30pm.” “She’s here for 48 hours only!!!”

Gotta love the little Weinergate Seal with a bust of Weiner amidst stars and jackasses (okay, okay, Democrat donkey logos).

TMZ notes that Ginger’s new gig was booked last week. They report that:

Sources at the Pink Pony strip club tell TMZ, the place will be selling super-sized hot dogs during Ginger’s 20-minute performance tonight — in which she’ll strip completely naked in a room full of dudes.

As the breaker of the Ginger Lee story, I’m pleased to note TMZ’s last sentence:

And it really pays to be at the center of a national controversy — we’re told Ginger is getting THREE TIMES her normal stripping rate to appear tonight.

And so the slow-speed trainwreck that is Weiner’s career continues, and Democrats desperately try to just move on with the Weiner albatross around their neck. As Ed Morrissey at Hot Air said of the Democrats’ PR strategy after taking note of the Ginger Lee/Gloria Allred press conference in which the porn star called on the congressman to resign: “Gloria Allred? Yeah, that strategy of ignoring the story is totally going to work now.”

UPDATE 6/16/11 1:30am
Well, boys and girls, you missed your opportunity to see Ginger Lee in the flesh (literally) at her post-Weiner Atlanta engagement. But she’s heading to South Carolina for the weekend, y’all. However, if you want to go, you’ll have to at least do some work to find the clubs by going to her schedule yourself. I’m out of the Ginger Lee performance promoter business. (Well…unless another club does a really fabulous Weiner poster, then we’ll see how newsworthy it would be.)

Earlier today Ginger put out a statement regarding Weiner’s resignation that even MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell called more dignified than Weiner’s own press conference. I had a hard time finding a complete copy of it anywhere in the major newspapers, magazines or blogs. The first place it finally popped up in full was at ExtraTV’s website—showing Miss Ginger to be smart again in going after the glitzy, fawning celebrity press instead of the rumpled, gruff political press:

I am glad that he has resigned. After the past three weeks and everything that transpired before that I think that he is making the wisest decision for himself, for his family, for everyone else drawn into this scandal and for the Democratic Party. I wish him the best and hope that the treatment that he is receiving will help him to control his impulses and make better judgments in the future.

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Weiner and the Teen

A young woman—very young, as she just turned 17 on January 10th—has been ensnared in the Congressman Anthony Weiner (D-NY9) online sex addiction saga. She has been nicknamed “Ethel” by the Patterico blog, so I’ll stick with that appellation for her, to keep the twisting story as straight as possible.

Allow me to introduce you to Ethel, one of the teenage girls that Weiner chose to follow out of tens of thousands of his followers.


I don’t personally know Ethel. I have never even tried to meet her, as I have seen many going after her since the Weiner crotch tweet went out, and I felt conflicted about bringing her into the limelight. Instead, I got to know Ethel the way someone gets to know an author, a memoirist: I read everything I could find that she had written. I read what other people wrote about her. I watched how she reacted as events unfolded around her.

I like her. She reminds me of how perpetually dramatic and lovesick I was as a teen. I worry about her. I fear for her. I wish she’d get some better guidance than what she’s been getting.

With that background out of the way, here’s the Ethel I’ve come to know.

Meet Ethel

She’s an avid Miami Heat and Lebron James fan, she roots for the Phillies, and she love-love-loves her marching band. She’s dramatic and boy-crazy and all the things a passionate teenage girl often is. She has the highest highs and lowest lows….that she unfortunately has been tweeting away, with no seeming parental supervision. In fact it didn’t seem like anyone was looking out for her during the first two weeks of the Weinergate scandal, until the day the police showed up at her house. Her account was left wide open. Did Congressman Weiner not have any concern for her well-being, make no attempt to speak with her parents to alert them to the situation he had placed their daughter in and take measures to protect her if it was all so innocent…or even if it wasn’t?

In rare instances, she may retweet President Obama or Michael Moore. More often, when she’s in an occasional political mood, she tweets mild attacks on Republicans as a whole and their positions.

Much more often she likes to tweet song lyrics and emotional quotes about love and love lost (“sometimes you just have to hold your head up high, blink away the tears and say good bye” or “Move on, it’s in the past. Life’s not perfect, & nothing lasts.”). She tweets about her grandmother, her dog, band and chick-fil-a. And she has a mouth that would make a sailor proud (something college admission boards will have to evaluate whether it reflects wonderfully on a young woman who says she wants to be president—and hoo-whee, what campaign ad material her twitter quotes will be giving to her oppositon). Boy, can she cuss. She drops the F-bomb and the C-bomb and the S-bomb and all the other bombs. Sometimes that’s all a tweet is, just a single curse word; sometimes she strings it oooouuuuuuuutttttttt for emphasis on the frustration or agony or whatever inspired the unladylike blast. Some pages of her tweets are just F, F, F, F. F this, F that, i hate F-ing this, F, F, FFFFFF.

Still…she’s just being a reckless, passionate, unsupervised teenage girl. On her abandoned MySpace page, she followed 20 people. Only 8 are visible, and they are celebrities to varying degrees, including Tom Cruise, Russell Crowe, Russell Brand, Michael Moore, Leonardo DiCaprio and Ashton Kutcher. Typical teenage girl.

This is a girl that is constantly in the throes of love, ever on its rollercoaster. The objects of her affections change over time, and many may not be truly boyfriends or even crushes, but simply friends she is playing around with. She often does not identify the intended recipient of her tweets of love and angst. She just publicly shouts it out and leaves it hanging for them to see and to feel love or remorse or hurt or shame. I reprint this collection of examples to illustrate how she typically communicates with her crushes, a pattern she may very well have followed with one Rep. Anthony Weiner. (Keep that in mind when you read my annotated/enhanced Patterico timeline of her tweets in the second half of this post.) [Note: Instead of marking all the misspellings below with a “sic,” please know that I have made no attempt to correct any of Ethel’s misspellings, typos or creative spellings.]

Here’s a sampling of Ethel-in-love tweets:

  • You will love many times. Only once will you fall in love.
  • Distracted…. this is what you do to me.
  • I’m in love with sax boy [Boy6] omg<333 not as much as [boy7] tho!
  • turning my phone off and I hate you bye
  • sometimes tears say all there is to say.
  • See, I decided that I cried my last tear yesterdaay
  • you’ll be mine, forever and almost always.
  • You don’t know the meaning of the word.
  • I think our love can do anything we want it to. G’NIGHT<3
  • Nothings worse than being angry sad. Sad sad is easy, angry sad is the worst.
  • I mis my boyfriend :/
  • it only hurts when im breathing, my heart only breaks when its beating, my dreams only die when im dreaming. so i hold my breath, to forget.
  • 🙁 miss yew also even if yew hate me
  • [Boy3] didn’t call 🙁
  • They say that time heals a broken heart, but time has stood still since we’ve been apart.
  • [Boy2] LOVES ME AGAIN – he just randomly texted me professing his love. i knew i keep him around for..
  • yeah nhs yeah life yeah [Boy4] i’m extra loving life yeah f[*]ck you spit don’t ever drunk dial me again
  • #ireallythink we can make it workkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkks [hashtag game tweet?]
  • Being a good girlfriend sucks.
  • @[Boy1] you hung up.. and didn’t even say love you..
  • Why must i beg!
  • going to bed without talking to you for the first time since august.
  • wif da love of my life,
  • hearts achin and i cant breathe, souls breakin, minus 31 degrees
  • show of hands: how many girls are okay with their boyfriend flirting with 6 other girls? anybody? any takers? no. i didnt think so. [this may appear to relate to Weiner and his statement that he has had online sexual interaction with six women, but Ethel’s tweet comes from over a year ago. So oddly enough, if she ever did consider Weiner a boyfriend, no matter how loosely, she’s once again stuck in a “two’s company, eight’s a crowd” situation—if you believe Weiner’s low-ball number of six]

It’s a bit troubling, however, that Ethel has shown a similar lovesick tweeting pattern about other adult males in her life, such as her teacher that I have dubbed “MaleTeacherCrush1.” For instance, back in September, she had this series of tweets over two days. Of course, I have no knowledge whether the tweets were said in earnest, in hope, in jest or in frustration—or a combination thereof. With some of the tweets, it’s not even clear to whom they are directed. The main question is whether the adult male object of her tweet affection understands, and has the self-control to take a gentle, fatherly approach in nurturing and guiding young Ethel without taking advantage of her and her teenage feelings:

  • and even though its different now, you’re still here somehow. my heart won’t let you goooo.
  • Its really hard to take instruction from someone who you got drunk with on friday…
  • Hopefully [MaleTeacherCrush1] will cheer me up…. I know he will.
  • School is frustrating.
  • You are two faced as f[*]ck
  • Life is hard and it’s full of pain and what-not, but we take it cause there’s great stuff too.
  • I won’t give up if you don’t give up

A mature man would see these tweets and know he needs to deal with a girl’s crush without crushing her. A man like Anthony Weiner, who has exhibited a provable pattern of entering into inappropriate online exchanges with women who have expressed erotic interest in him, would see opportunity for himself.

And that’s a bad thing, because this is a girl, Ethel, that is also often fragile and troubled. She has tweeted about problems at home and general depression. She takes rejection hard, but yet is brave enough to put it out on her Tumblr blog or Facebook or Twitter. Why? I suspect so that the people that have hurt her will know, and that she hopes they will say they’re sorry, comfort her, show her they really do love her after all. She seems hungry and longing for attention. Again, not necessarily abnormal behavior from a teen, yet such passionate craving makes her highly exploitable:

  • sad again
  • ‘and we were worlds apart and you’ll see it was so much easier to be, cause now i know we cant have and its so unfair’
  • ‘dont..go. how to live my life without you i just don’t know.’
  • this isn’t even fair right now. ugh i’m a mess.
  • byebye facebook, hello clinical depression – i’m trying..and when i say trying, i mean really hard, to find..
  • Photo: heartbroken, to the point sometimes wanna end it, if I can’t have what mean most to me…
  • Facebook Withdrawl – today, i’m not as much sad as usual. i just genuinely miss my old life.
  • Last night, i gave my final try at fixing us. No response, it’s to be expected….
  • deactivated facebook again. now I’m f[*]cking miserable again, thanks to your stupid jerkoff face.

In the days immediately after her burst of crush tweeting about MaleTeacherCrush1 (above) came this series of depression tweets below. It’s hard to say to whom they are directed. Beyond MaleTeacherCrush1, she never consistently tweeted about any other male in the preceding month or so. Still, no implications can be drawn from that:

  • :'( i can’t even say worst day, its so much more than that
  • I’m so f[*]cked up
  • This shit is unf[*]ckingbelieveable
  • So f[*]cking done with everyone and everything
  • truth is.. i love you way to much.
  • mental breakdown status.. bye :'(
  • i hope that you miss me a little when im gone…………………….
  • sleeping forever. when i wake up, shit will make sense again. maybe.
  • F[*]ck this I’m not playin these games.
  • Not everythings an issue. Moreover, not everything needs your involvement.
  • Love is really nothing but a dream that keeps wakin me.
  • Baby youu my everythin you alll I ever wanted!
  • Waittin for my baby to come back home, whateva it takes.
  • come away with me: and I’ll never stop loving you
  • Sadgirl status
  • Why must you kerep doin thissssssss
  • Don’t wanna close my eyes, I don’t wanna fall asleep……. I still miss you babe and I don’t wanna miss a thing
  • @[Boy8] kill yourself.
  • you may think I’m hatin, well yeah I’m hatinn just think bout it got me smhin
  • being this sad takes such a toll on physical well being. not only have i gained exponential weight, but i cant seem to stay awake..

And so there is Ethel. Finding things and people she loves and hoping she gets something in return. None of the above tweets were within the April/May timeframe of her interactions with Weiner, so it is highly unlikely that any of them have anything to do with Weiner. It was just her life leading up to Weiner—as if she needed any more drama.

Ethel Meets Weiner

Much of the Weiner and the Teen timeline has been confused, misinterpreted or omitted. Media reports say that Ethel first began following Weiner in April. Jennifer Preston at the New York Times reports that:

Representative Anthony D. Weiner said on Friday that he exchanged at least five private messages on Twitter this spring with a 17-year-old Delaware girl who became an admirer of his after hearing him speak during a high school trip to Washington.

Preston further reports that the trip was in “early April.” We also know by Ethel’s own tweets the dates that Weiner followed her and, then within hours, unfollowed her after she had publicly tweeted that she had “talked” with him, and a variety of conservative tweeters started ridiculing Weiner for following a high school girl. Preston’s report elaborates:

The girl’s contact with Mr. Weiner started in early April, after her trip to Washington. The congressman spoke to her school group, and she began following him on Twitter, posting a public message saying how much she liked his speech.

Two days later, Mr. Weiner began following her on Twitter. On her profile, she says she aspires to be president. In a private message he sent to her, he said: “How hip am I talking to a future president.”

Delighted that she had heard directly from a congressman, the girl wrote a public post on her Twitter feed: “talking to Rep Weiner from New York right now! is my life real?”

At the time, a group of conservatives was monitoring Mr. Weiner’s Twitter activity, after noticing that he was sending messages to a pornographic star from Tennessee.

When members of the group saw the girl’s post, suggesting she was engaging in a private conversation with Mr. Weiner, they alerted the congressman that they were watching him. “@RepWeiner new pal is a high school girl. First porn actresses now little girls. Weird.”

According to the girl’s family member, people in the group also copied the girl on some of the messages they sent to him, so she sent Mr. Weiner a private message telling him that she felt she was being harassed. He apologized to her in a private message, and removed her from the list of people he followed on Twitter. pins down the Washington trip day of meeting Weiner to April 1:

Sources close the student said the girl followed Weiner on Twitter after seeing him speak during a school trip to Washington on April 1. Weiner, after signing on to follow the girl’s Twitter feed, direct-messaged the girl on April 13, the sources said, though it is not clear what other communication the two may have had between or after those dates. Weiner no longer follows the girl on Twitter.

The NYT also reported that Weiner again followed Ethel in May. ( was apparently unaware that Weiner had refollowed her.) That’s a month after he was aware that his previous follow had generated unwelcome buzz for both him and her. It’s not as if Weiner follows tens of thousands of people and has no idea who they are. As mentioned in the Times, these two had previously communicated by DM, and the girl’s family claimed that he was gentlemanly in unfollowing her when she informed him of her harassment. (The Times neglects to report that Weiner was copied on several of the “harassing” tweets, as you’ll soon be able to note in the timeline below). Methinks too much credit is being given to Weiner. He was clearly willing to risk charges of being a high school predator again. For what? For some girl with whom he has no apparent connection—at least none that the family has mentioned to the media.

One thing is clear by the sequence of April events: Weiner showed an evidence of guilt. He has admitted to sexting numerous women prior to this. Unless he turns over all of the DMs (direct messages, or private communications, as opposed to public tweets) he sent to Ethel, we have no way of knowing what he was saying to her or whether he was probing the possibility of engaging in sexual or flirtatious talk with her. But we do know that Ethel had a habit of tweeting vulgar and sexually oriented messages publicly.

Normally, it would be fine and no one would think twice if a member of Congress followed a minor, a teen or anyone at all, if they followed back pretty much everyone that followed them. Weiner, however, was very selective in his follows.

The NYT certainly seems unconcerned for Ethel that Weiner would refollow her:

About a month later, Mr. Weiner sent out a public message saying he wanted to attract more followers on Twitter and offered to follow people on his account if they wanted him to.

The girl responded to the appeal and posted a public message to him: “Don’t forget me. I used to follow you.” On May 16, he began following the girl again, and over the next 10 days they had three private message exchanges, the family member said.

One was about baseball. In another, he replied to a question she had about legislation by jokingly asking for her advice, the family member said. His third message to her was in response to a link she posted to a YouTube video of his giving a speech, with the message: “My true love.”

In a blog post on Tumblr, she later shared the contents of that private message from him. In it, Mr. Weiner appeared to liken himself to a superhero.

“I came back strong,” he wrote. “Large. Tights and cape …”

On the Tumblr blog post she added, “My favorite Congressman.”

That transcript is not entirely accurate. For instance, the NY Times severely edited the short message that Weiner, a United States Congressman, wrote to a 17-year-old girl. To make it readily clear what the Times tried to soften up and obscure, I will bold their deletions: “I came back strong. Large. In charge. Tights and cape shit…” What cordial 21st century pleasantries a member of Congress transmits to a juvenile.

Appalling. Still, the swooning teenage girl added a girly little heart icon to the end, which the NYT either did not know what it was or deleted it because it makes it indicates there was a crush occurring and not some professional, dignified exchange the Times would hope their favorite Congressman would have: My favorite congressman<3 [And no, NYT, Ethel is not well-versed in the Times Stylebook, and she did not cap Congressman out of respect for the office.]

One thing that has gone unreported is that when Weiner was literally caught with his pants down at 11:34pm on Friday, May 27, he was still following Ethel—and had been since May 15. It was only on June 9, that Weiner finally unfollowed her. (Or it is possible that Ethel finally became disgusted enough with Weiner that she “blocked” him, which would have forcibly removed herself from his list of followers, preventing her ability to DM. Blocking also would have immediately ceased her following of him, and would have “blocked” him from being able to publicly view her tweets and account activity.) Regardless of how Ethel became unfollowed, the tie was cut.

So for two full weeks, he left her open to worldwide public scrutiny, taking no measures to protect her, a girl he was fully aware had been previously subjected to ridicule due to his online interactions with her.


Now that you have met Ethel and have a bit more understanding in how her involvement with Congressman Weiner began and unfolded, a new look at their public online interactions strengthens the case that Weiner behaved inappropriately with underage girls, regardless of whether he sent them explicit photos as well.

Let’s take a look at the sequence of events during April and May.


Timeline Key
The basis of this timeline comes from the Patterico blog’s compiliation of relevant Weiner and underage girl tweeting. The addendums and annotations I have made to the timeline are indicated as follows:

  • The tweets listed in Patterico’s original tweet list, who worked hard to put together an illuminating timeline, appear in italics.
  • My additions are shown in bold text, with my annotations in brown.
  • Any tweets in Patterico’s timeline of which I could not personally locate a file copy are highlighted in italicized blue. Patterico has proven in the past to be a reputable source, so I take his word for it that these tweets existed and with the wording/spelling and date as shown. I note these instances not to cast aspersions on the existence of the tweets, but to ensure that I do not overrepresent or misrepresent the proof I myself hold.

11 April


[ILY = I Love You. Typical Ethel-in-love tweeting (see above). As this tweet occurs two days prior to Ethel’s follow request, Weiner’s follow, and the first admitted time that Weiner DMs Ethel, it’s a stretch to include this as a Weiner tweet. Not seeing it within a surrounding timeline of her other tweets at the time, it’s difficult to fully assess. It could be about Weiner, but more likely it’s about a local boy or adult male crush.]

12 April

PatriotUSA76: @RepWeiner only follows 91 people: fellow Congress members, media members and PORN actress Ginger Lee. Weird. @DailyCaller @weaselzippers

[PatriotUSA76 is a tweeter who identified himself as Dan Wolfe. He was an early alarm bell to Weiner’s strange Twitter followings and was the first to see Weiner’s lewd photo tweet sent accidentally public to the college girl. This example of Patriot’s early and often alerts to Weiner that his odd behavior was being noticed shows that Patriot had been trying for quite some time to get conservative websites and blogs to take notice as well.]

13 April

Ethel: @RepWeiner I’m in love with you

Ethel: @RepWeiner can i get a follow-back? More than one person has said how we are the same person!!! i love you and your tweets<33

[recall by the news reports that Ethel supposedly went to DC back on April 1. If true, it takes her 12 days until she finally asks him for a follow-back. Remember, it is also possible to Direct Message someone who is following you—meaning as long as Ethel is following Weiner, he can DM her, but he would have to follow her as well for her to initiate or reciprocate any DMs to him. Clearly, someone’s reporting is wrong: either’s date of Weiner’s speech to Ethel’s group in Washington on April 1 or the New York Times‘s reporting that Weiner followed her two days after their initial meeting.]

Ethel: Watchin @RepWeiner on cnn <3

Ethel: Seriously talking to Representative Weiner from New York right now! Like is my life real? [<== tweeted at 7:04pm. Note that this is when, as the Times reports, Weiner has just DM’d her: “How hip am I talking to a future president.”]

Ethel: I’m famous!!!!!!!!!!

Ethel: @[Betty] I just asked for a follow-back and he did!!! Ahhh!

[Poor Betty. She is another teen, a 16-year-old Californian, nicknamed Betty by Tommy Christopher in his Mediaite reporting on the topic. Betty was fairly obsessed with Weiner. Here, she immediately sees someone has tweeted about getting a DM from him, and pipes up to ask how did they get him to do that. She did the same thing when Ginger Lee, the porn star, tweeted something similar. Betty was watching her man flirt with other girls.]

Shortly after 9pm on April 13th, Patriot and his merry band of conservative tweeters took notice of Ethel’s excited twutterances about “talking” (i.e., DMing) with Weiner. I have a short exchange of DMs between Patriot and another tweeter, Goatsred (or Mike Stack). Neither Patriot nor Goat gave me these DMs. I was not a party to the DMs.

9:12pm: PatriotUSA76 DM’d Goatsred the tweet that Ethel had tweeted about talking to Weiner. In his next DM to Goatsred, Patriot wrote: “This is HILARIOUS! cannot believe this sick FREAK!”

9:13pm: Goatsred DM’d Patriot back, asking him: “can you screen cap it??”

9:14pm: Patriot DM’d Goat back: “I was just going to ask you how to do that! Cause you know he’ll delete her as soon as we tweet it! LMAO”

9:15pm: Patriot DM’d Goat again: “in her bio she says she’s in “marching band” LMAO!! Oh this is too good. He is a sick freak!”

9:15pm: Goat DM’d Patriot: “I found it…I’ll do it”

patriotusa76: “@repweiner talking to high-school girls now. Freak.”

[I don’t find an exact copy of this tweet. However, on April 13, I am certainly able to find a number of similar expressions from PatriotUSA76 regarding Weiner following Ethel, but also from Goatsred. The “freak” tweets I can find records of, but cannot find the actual tweets, where originally from Goatsred and new-RT’d by Patriot, as in: “LMAO @repweiner talking to high-school girls now. Freak. RT @Ethel: talking to Rep Weiner from New York right now! is my life real?” (9:19pm) and “@mikemadden59@goatsred Check it out bro. Weiner’s new follow is a high school girl. LMAO! Freak!” (9:23pm)]

[Note: LMAO = Laughing My A** Off. Also, a “new-RT” is using Twitter’s automated ReTweet button to RT a tweet instead of copying and pasting the tweet into an old-school RT. The primary difference is that an RTer cannot add to or edit a new-RT. If a tweeter wishes to inject a comment or make it come directly from his/her account, it has to be manually RT’d.]

Here is a list of tweets made by the Patriot’s #BornFreeCrew the April 13 evening they found Ethel enthralled with her Weiner DMs and follow:

  • “@mikemadden59@goatsred@jihadihunter@redrivergrl@RepWeiner new pal is a high school girl. First porn actresses now little girls. Weird.” 9:25pm
  • “@mikemadden59@goatsred@Lrihendry @[Ethel] @[Betty] True she probably doesn’t know what a slime he is.” 9:35pm
  • “@goatsred It wasn’t directed at you @Ethel we just noticed he has a strange thing for porn and kids, that’s all. Sorry.” 9:40pm
  • “@redrivergrl@mikemadden59@goatsred@jihadihunter Could you imagine infatuated with anything that slimy and creepy? ” 9:47pm
  • “@mikemadden59@Jihadihunter@redrivergrl@goatsred We’re not jerks. We were trying to save the youth of America from a sick freak” 9:51pm
  • “@mikemadden59@Jihadihunter@redrivergrl@goatsred You’re no jerk. We were just trying to help her. She’ll find out on her own.” 9:57pn
  • “@mikemadden59@redrivergrl@goatsred@jihadihunter I weep for the future if this is any indication of who teen idols are. Weiner???” 10:40pm
  • “@redrivergrl@mikemadden59@goatsred@jihadihunter It’s like the Pied Piper of Hamelin. God help the kids if they follow that nujob.” 10:44pm
  • Jihadihunter also piped up and was new-RT’d by Patriot: “@redrivergrl@mikemadden59@goatsred@jihadihunter LMAO, Anita! Yeah I wonder about the future of this country.” 10:40pm

When I originally saw series of tweets such as these, I became convinced this team of conservative tweeters were not maliciously cyberstalking Weiner, but were doing a public service—trying to alert potential Weiner victims to the danger they were in, and to alert Weiner that his actions were not occurring fully in secret and that he needed to stop right then.

Ethel: @patriotusa76 hi hater don’t be mean!

Ethel: @goatsread can you stop being rude and trying to ruin my good day? Just because I enjoy politics… @patriotusa76

Ethel: @sclancy cause representative weiner followed me back today and some sickos are trying to make a thing of it.

Patriotusa76: @goatsred @Lrihendry @mikemadden59 @[Ethel] @[Betty] LMAO. School yards!

Mikemadden59: @patriotusa76 @goatsred @Lrihendry @goatsred @Lrihendry @mikemadden59 @[Ethel] @[Betty] You are such a hater. She is an innocent ignorant kid give her a break.

Ethel: @mikemadden59 @patriotusa76 @goatsred Excuse you, but I am far from ignorant. As I have done nothing to you or your cronies, please stop.

Ethel: @[Betty] i am so sorry!!!!!

Ethel: I shall have a good night! Thank you more lovely conservatives to make my day 🙂

Ethel: @KingJames I love you. I can’t believe you’re coming to Philadelphia and I won’t be there to see you. <333

[I tossed this tweet in to show that @RepWeiner was not the only one on the national stage that Ethel publicly declared her love for. However, it appears that @RepWeiner was the only one who engaged her in private Direct Messages.]

Ethel: Was famous for an hour 🙁

[It is unclear precisely when Ethel was unfollowed by Weiner. By this tweet, it seems the unfollow has just occurred.]

Ethel: @[EthelFriend3] cause some sick republicans with way too much time on their hands were blowin up my twitter.

Ethel: RT [EthelFriend2] Wish I could be super cool and attack high school girls about there [sic] political affiliation for fun…..smh forget about them @[Ethel]

EthelFriend1: I’m proud of you babygirl! keep putting people in their place 🙂

Ethel: @[EthelFriend1] thanks [EthelFriend1]! I think I did a good job 🙂

14 April

MikeMadden59: @[Ethel] [Ethel] you are following one of the most corrupt politicians out there. We don’t mean to insult you. But if you like politics maybe you should look further than Weiner. He is a hack and a liar. We alread backed off before you send. Have a good night

Ethel: Mr. [MaleTeacherCrush1] was more excited about my wednesday night than I was!! Silly republicans 🙂

Ethel: Okay AP Calculus class. Laugh at me now, but when I’m representing your ass in congress, you won’t be laughing.

Ethel: @EthelFriend2 not a communist! Borderline socialist….. Maybe.

Ethel: So happy that @[MaleTeacherCrush1] @[MaleTeacherCrush2] + @[MaleTeacherCrush3] were happy about my news!!

Ethel: @RepWeiner 🙁

15 April

Ethel: Seriously depressed that @RepWeiner doesn’t follow me anymore. Yesterday was a great day!

[I’ve lost the time stamp on this tweet. Due to the content, talking about “yesterday” when Weiner was following her, this was sent, in all likelihood, just after midnight on the 15th and therefore was a continuation of Ethel’s tweets on the evening of the 14th.]


1 May

Ethel: Not sleeping tonight, you’d think I was president.

2 May

Ethel: Going to meet my national legislators in 6 hours and I cannot sleep. Like ugh.

Ethel: @ChrisCoons just left the building and I’m not happy about the answer to my question at this delegation. Don’t forget me

Ethel: @JohnCarneyDE I met you in Washington in the gallery and today at the delegation. Don’t forget me, I will be on Capital [sic] Hill one day.

Ethel: @SenatorCarper thanks for the great insight today. Don’t forget me. Front row girl. I’ll be back.

Ethel: @RepWeiner tell john carney I’m mad at him when you see him. Sincerely, [Ethel] from Delaware.

[This tweet makes me wonder whether Ethel spoke with Carney at the delegation about Weiner. Clearly she wishes to illustrate to Weiner that she’s traveling in the same circles as he—even though he is not currently following her at this point.]

Ethel: #turnon: married men.

Ethel: “But [Ethel] im sure youll find the right large slightly chubby married man of your dreams one day im just not sure its bob.” Hahah! @[EthelFriend2]

3 May

Ethel: @JohnCarneyDE you missed a comma.

[No indication what this is in response to. Ethel does follow him. A DM? A tweet that day? None of them appear to have any missing comma needing attention. She does later have a back-and-forth public tweet exchange with him on a legislative issue. There’s just no public record of anything from him regarding this tweet. Note that Rep. Carney primarily only follows other members of Congress and the media, which would limit any constituent from privately messaging him, although he could DM them if they followed him.]

8 May

RT @RepWeiner: No politics on Mothers Day #JustDontMentionWomenEarn1/3LessThanMenForSameWork

13 May

Ethel: had a fight with mr. [MaleTeacherCrush1] today about political ideology 🙁 I yelled a while

Ethel: @RepWeiner you used to follow me  don’t forget me!!! #weineryes

15 May


16 May

Betty: Tweeps my progressive idol @RepWeiner is following me! Today is the best day ever!

Betty: Today also marks day one of my campaign to get @RepWeiner to be my prom date. Will you be my prom date @RepWeiner?

Betty: Everyone please please follow @RepWeiner and tell him to be my prom date!

Betty: Tweeps please tweet and follow @RepWeiner and tell him to be my prom date and use#RepWeinerBe[Betty]sDate

Betty: Follow the best progressive Congressman @RepWeiner he is a democrat who fights for us & against Republican trolls! #RepWeinerBe[Betty]sDate

patriotusa76: RT [Betty] Please tweet and follow @RepWeiner & tell him to be my prom date>>Poor girl. We should warn her. @goatsred @tamale102280

17 May

Betty: It really sucks when one of your idols doesn’t live up to expectations.

Ethel: I love today. I really do.

Ethel: I’m in love with married men, #thatswhyimsingle

Ethel: i’m gettin drunk, but i’d much rather be somewhere with youuuuuuuuu [May 17/18 on Tumblr]

18 May

Betty: Well @RepWeiner unfollowed me. That was a short time. I defended him from people. Some thanks he gives to his loyal followers.

Betty: RT @[Ethel]: Funny that you said you had a crush on a married politician. Are you forreal?

Ethel: I DIDN’T SAY ANYTHING PSYCHO GIRL. stop tweeting about me.

Ethel: Goodnight world, I love most of you<3

19 May

Ethel: I’m in love with you.

Ethel: Links YouTube video
: Anthony Weiner Rips Apart Republicans on 9/11 Health Bill

20 May

Ethel: [Redacted] High School is a disgrace today

21 May

Ethel: Sitting in the chair where I first talked to my favorite Congressman  )))))

[again, another tweet I don’t personally have a copy of, and again I trust Patterico. however, I question the interpretation that’s been given to this. According to the New York Times report, Ethel first met/saw/heard Weiner (presumably her favorite Congressman) in Washington. Therefore, I wonder if the date of May 21 is correct. Or perhaps it simply means her chair at home, though that seems to be a strange thing to tweet about, if it’s an ordinary chair and this isn’t the first time she has sat in it since her first DM exchange with Weiner. If it is just an ordinary chair, then is there something about the chair that Weiner knows or has seen that would make a mention of it mean something? Lots of questions and speculation, I know. Not seeing it in context of other tweets causes some difficulty here for me. Sorry.]

22 May


Ethel: I’m in love with you. I hope you know this. [around 11pm]

Ethel on Tumblr: My true love. (with youtube video of Weiner)

[Note that, according to the New York Times story above, Weiner sent Ethel only three DMs in May (and two in April). The third one was in response to this Tumblr post. It’s unclear how he would have been informed of this post to her blog. However, the Times article does not make it clear that it takes him four days, until the 26th to send her a DM response to it. Therefore, if it is true that there was no more frequent communication between them, are the next four days’ worth of Ethel tweets reflecting a waiting for a response?]

23 May

Ethel: Mr. [MaleTeacherCrush1], I’m lovin the crucifix tie.

Ethel: I love 69ing big hunt + like to use honey mustard as lube. Ohh yeahh baby I love bdh weiner
 May 22 [<<<<=== this was actually on May 23]

Ethel: Hacked… Clearly.

[Does this tweet come into play in the early hours of May 28? Perhaps Rep. Weiner picked up a tip from Ethel a few days prior to his fat-fingering a lewd DM to a college girl. His immediate first defense? “Hacked.”]

24 May

Ethel: Goddamn I love [MaleTeacherCrush1]…. Only teacher that understands.

Ethel: What is my life.

Ethel: @RepWeiner you have feelings?

[May 24 appears to be a bad day in the Weiner/Ethel world. They’re both still following one another. So what’s up? Perhaps he’s not responding to her DMs? Perhaps he has said something upsetting to her. Whatever it is, it inspires her to publicly transmit a sexually suggestive tweet to one of her other nationally known loves, Lebron James. A teenage girl’s attempt to provoke jealousy? Is that what it would inspire in Weiner?]

Ethel: Lebron, I will take my talents to your bedroom.

Ethel: Today sucks.

Ethel: Why did I turn on cspan again?

26 May

Ethel on Tumblr, quoting Weiner: “I came back strong. Large. In charge. Tights and cape sh[*]t…” My favorite congressman<3

[So after all the turmoil over Weiner two days ago, we know from the New York Times report that Weiner at least DMs Ethel on the 26th. She’s happy again. Proudly posting the DM to her Tumblr blog, without saying how or when she received it. Patterico also previously noted that Weiner used the superhero garb reference that he also used in his very explicit sexting with Lisa Weiss in Las Vegas. Therefore, we have no idea whether Weiner’s DM to Ethel was solitary or whether it was merely profanity laced but not also sexual.]

2728 May

Ethel: Boyfriend #1 is terminated.
[Weiner’s accidental crotch shot was not tweeted until 11:34pm on this dayMay 27. Ethel tweeted this at 10:55pm1:55am on May 28. We know Weiner was around his computer shortly thereafter, and I still posit that during his 3-hour timeframe prior to his lewd tweet that he was actually online, DMing women, leading up to his preparing and transmitting the aroused photo. I would hope that Ethel was not communicating with Weiner privately around the time this tweet was sent and that he is in no way Boyfriend #1.With the new time of Ethel’s tweet, I now further doubt that she would have been one that Weiner would have been DMing with immediately prior to his lewd tweetpic. However, it elevates the possibility that he is indeed Boyfriend #1, no?]

28 May

Ethel: You’ve changed. [12:29pm]

[The #Weinergate story has just broken in the middle of the night on this day. It has been reported that Weiner had a crisis meeting that day to plan how to respond to the publicity swirling around the tweet he was denying. Was Ethel trying to communicate with him during this time. Is that who she thinks has changed? Recall that in the Lisa Weiss transcript linked above, it shows her trying to get in touch with him following the scandal and apparently receiving nothing back via Facebook message. However, we do know that Weiner contacted at least the Seattle college girl and the porn star to instruct them on how to handle the scandal. Was Ethel also contacted?]

29 May

Ethel: Unblocking my tweets and changing my name back. I didn’t do sh[*]t and I’m in no way involved in your political bullsh[*]t.

[This would seem to be directed at tweeters, bloggers and media of all types. Yet from this point on, she never seems to come out in support of Weiner, so it could be possible he is included in the “your” group.]

Ethel: I hope your manhood is restored now that you called a 17 year old a dumbass. # fightfirewithsarcasm

[I am unable to locate to whom this tweet is in response.]

30 May

Ethel: I got big dreams. Nothing’s getting in the way of that.

Ethel: May I just clarify that I changed my name of my own accord, due to the fact that I don’t wish to be harassed by people I’ve done nothing to.

[Could this tweet have been helpfully guided by Weiner’s PR “expertise”? It comes late in the day, far separate from the previous day’s actions of unblocking her Twitter account.]

31 May

Ethel: I need a nap 🙁 bye y’allz

[It seems doubtful that Ethel got the same advice from Weiner as he gave to porn star Ginger Lee about using “y’all” to appear charming, but I have to note that “y’all” was not a frequent part of Ethel’s vocabulary like it was for Ginger.]

1 June

Ethel: My tweet was, and continues to be, taken completely out of context. Screenshot me now, crazies.

2 June

Ethel: Gonna sit back and do absolutely nothing just like you did to me.

5 June

Ethel: Going to bed waking up neveRrrrrrrr

5 June

Ethel: wish i was in dc and not de

[Is Ethel communicating with Weiner still? Is she hoping she could publicly stand up for him, be with him, make everything okay for him? This is the day he gives his press conference after 4pm. Note: He is in New York, not DC. But would Ethel have known that?]

Ethel: You’re a shady manipulative person and I no longer wish to associate myself with you.

[unknown to whom this was said; however, she was having no public disagreements with anyone at/around this time]

Ethel: With I was with my best friend at bike race :(((

Ethel: You said always and forever, such a long and lonely time.

6 June

Ethel: Wow so disappointed in someone who I admired.

Ethel: Speechless.

7 June

Ethel: still confused and disappointed. labarb thinks he should resign for the sake of the party. i’m still undecided…..but pissed.

Ethel: Sitting in [MaleTeacherCrush1] class one last time :\’



Based on this record, it seems to me that it’s a good thing that Mr. Weiner’s Direct Message to Gennette Cordova accidentally went public. Otherwise, who knows where this all was leading. No one was paying any attention to PatriotUSA76’s alarms. Even Weiner himself kept boldly following young girls, despite knowing doing so would subject his young “friends” to public criticism, despite knowing that people were watching and suspicious that he was up to no good. He kept on. He just kept on.

At the time that Ethel finally changed her Twitter account to private and deleted her Tumblr blog, it seems she had finally seen the light about Weiner. It’s a hard lesson to learn that your hero and your crush was little more than a narcissistic predatory creep. If she is still protecting him, I can only hope that she will finally come forward and reveal all she knows, because she was not the only teen that Weiner followed. And, let’s face it, there’s only four years difference between 17 and 21. With the brazen attitude Weiner took toward women in general, would he really have respected a bright line of no younger than the legal age of 18? (After all, you can still be 18 and in high school.)

There are a couple morals here:

To Teenage Girls: Please be aware that all of your online behavior lives on. What I’ve given here is just a portion of what I’ve found. I’m sure there are things that I’ve taken out of context, even trying to be careful about it. But others may not be so kind. Employers and college administrators and future friends, boyfriends and their friends and parents will see these things. It may be cool to curse and be sexually permissive to your friends who know that you’re actually a modest girl. But strangers and people you may want to know might not figure that out. In other words, unless you wish to be seen for all eternity as a foul-mouthed loose woman, don’t act that way online. You can leave your high school behind and go to college, and leave college and go into adult employment. But you can’t leave any of the stuff you do online at each stage behind. You’ll be dragging it along with you forever.

To Parents of Teenage Girls: Good grief. Keep an eye on your daughters. Perhaps you’re one of those hip, liberal parents who likes to treat their children like their friends, who’d smoke pot and talk sex with them. If you are, there’s nothing I can say to you. Your daughters are ripe targets for a lot of creeps out there in the world, both online and in person. If you’re not that way and life has just been too busy and you’ve been too distracted, and well, your daughter is quite a handful and it’s exhausting to try to control her behavior and life around the house is easier to just let her do what she wants: stop now. Go read through her entire twitter and facebook history. Make sure you know how she has been presenting herself to the world. If she’s been presenting a bad image, erase it all immediately, everywhere you can find it. And then work with her on learning how to put forth an image of the type of person she wants to be, someone she’ll be proud to have live on long after she’s outgrown today’s crushes and black nail polish and youthful indiscretions.

To Congressmen Who Prey on Young Women to Get Their Jollies: An honorable man would have behaved in an entirely different manner. The behavior outlined here in this post is despicable. A decent and innocent man would not have let his young victims twist in the wind as all the world goes and looks at them, inspects their lives. He would have attempted to protect them (and all of his female followers) from the feeding frenzy of the 24-hour news cycle and his inept public relations attempts. He would have gotten the parents involved. He would have apologized directly, by phone or some personal contact, and alerted the parents that he had brought their precious children into a situation that could do damage to them. He would have let their welfare be his primary concern, not himself. That’s what an honorable, innocent man would have done.
Quick Update:

I should note that the New Castle police in Delaware have opened an investigation into the Weiner DMs, and have interviewed Ethel and her mother. It has been variously reported that the investigation is closed; however, Patterico is on top of the story as usual, and notes a story in which the police say “computer forensics experts are reviewing the exchanges.” And that’s a good thing not to just take anyone’s word for it in this case.

Also note that if Weiner does not resign from office, the ethics investigation will proceed and could expose all of his female followers, including the teens, to Congressional inspection.

UPDATE 6/15/11 2:45am
A Twitter friend, @MooseOfReason, questioned one of the specific times I noted in the Ethel tweet timeline. It’s the “Boyfriend #1 is terminated,” which I had found in one of my documents a timestamp of 10:55pm on May 27. Moose had tweeted he had a stamp showing it was 1:55am on May 28. It turns out that in another source document of mine, the time matches Moose’s time. Further experimentation finds that Moose is correct.

Therefore, I will be updating the specific times in this post if I had verified the times through the erroneous source (erroneous simply because it was giving West Coast (PT) times and everything else I have is Eastern (ET), but otherwise correct). Only a few of my times were verified through the erroneous source, so most are correct. I will have the incorrect times fixed by later today. In the meantime, if anyone wishes to use or refer to any specific timed tweets, then please contact me first to verify the correct time. I’ll be happy to help, in exchange for receiving credit as the source.

UPDATE 6/15/11 5:55pm

Welcome astute readers of The Other McCain! (Thanks, Stacy.)


UPDATE 6/16/11 11:15am

Welcome to the discerning readers of Patterico. (Thanks, Aaron!)

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Random Weiner Oddities

While doing some fact-checking on a couple of Weinergate posts I’ve got waiting in the wings for completion, I tried to file away or discard various tidbits I’ve collected through the saga of Weinergate. Here’s a few recent ones that tickled my funny bone for one reason or another:

  • A writer, Ethan Klapper, at National Journal had a strange headline on his story about how direct messages operate differently from public tweets: How Weiner Fell Into the Direct Message Trap.” I don’t know about you, but to me that reads as if Weiner was a victim of some sort of setup. That bad Twitter had been lying-in-wait for him.
  • The New York Times has got to be sickeningly dizzy from all the spinning and protecting it has done for Rep. Anthony Weiner’s obscene online behavior. Their latest bit is truly comic, in which they compare Weiner to Alexander Hamilton, in their editorial “Technology and the Political Sex Scandal”:

    In 1791, while serving as secretary of the Treasury, Alexander Hamilton began an affair with Maria Reynolds, being blackmailed by her husband for several years to allow it to continue. When a muckraker exposed the affair and the cover-up, Hamilton turned to the communications technology of the day to defend himself, publishing a pamphlet in which he argued that he had never abused any public resources.

    The illustrious NYT doesn’t seem to realize that Weiner has relied on old technology—mainly pandering propaganda machines, also known as news organizations—to lie about his behavior and lie that he never used public resources to create or transmit his obscenity. Therefore, he is using old tech to coverup his new tech sins, not vice versa. But getting that straight would get in the way of the weak analogy that underlies the entire premise for the NYT piece.

    The NYT article gets more humorous at their end of reciting sex scandals throughout history in an effort to diminish the offensive nature of Weiner’s. It seems Sarah Palin must have written their original prop-up piece, because they had to issue this correction:

    Correction: June 12, 2011
    An earlier version of this article misstated that Alexander Hamilton blackmailed the husband of his lover. In fact, Mr. Hamilton was being blackmailed.

  • FishbowlDC has done some excellent reporting on the fact that Mike Allen’s Playbook over at the “nonpartisan” Politico has done virtually NO Weiner reporting. On Friday, they posted this summary of his week’s reporting and asked him for comment:

    Monday: Zilch

    Tuesday: Shockingly, the day after Weiner’s blockbuster New York press conference in which he admitted he sent the lewd photographs, there was absolutely nothing to be found in the Playbook.

    Wednesday: Today Allen has one item on Weiner and links to a NYT story. TOP TALKER, N.Y Times 1-col. lead, “CALLS TO RESIGN AS WEINER TRIES TO MAKE AMENDS – FALLOUT OVER A SCANDAL,” by Michael Barbaro and David W. Chen.

    Thursday: Today Playbook features the news of a strummable guitar on Google’s homepage. Any news on Weiner? Nada. Zip. Nothing. This, despite the fact that on Wednesday not only was the nude photograph of Weiner’s penis released by the Opie and Anthony radio program, but the NYT reported the bombshell news that Huma Abedin was pregnant. Seems these stories would have been no-brainers for Playbook.

    Friday: On this day, when everyone is suffering from Weiner fatigue, Allen throws in a joke from NBC’s The Tonight Show. The SECOND reference to Weinergate all week. JAY LENO: “It was so hot in Washington, everyone was sitting around in their underwear like Congressman Weiner. He finally felt at home.”

    Things got a bit nastier yesterday when FishbowlDC published a post titled “Incest Desk: The Weinerless Politico Mike Allen Edition.” Guess Allen feels very comfy in his role as propaganda prince on MSNBC’s Morning Joe show. If it’s not propaganda fit to print, then by golly, he’ll direct your attention elsewhere. I don’t typically see FishbowlDC taking on their Washington buds. Guess these two are having a bit of a spat. How enjoyable for the rest of us!

  • The New Yorker magazine tries to get in on the Weiner action with a collection of what they think are the most memorable quotes from the scandal. My favorite is the one by conservative blogger and Cornell law professor, William Jacobson (whose blog is well known to us right-wingers as Legal Insurrection).
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Weiner Refuses to Deny Lewd Photo

Rep. Anthony Weiner just had what one tweeter/Weekly Standard editor called “the Hindenberg of press conferences.”

As Dana Bash of CNN tweeted and which I have added to and annotated, here are a few questions that @RepWeiner refuses to answer:

1) Is the tweeted picture of you? Is that you in the photo, regardless of whether you tweeted it?
Who would not immediately answer “NO!” unless it was them? Weiner must realize that by refusing to say “No,” it tells the world the answer is “Yes,” right?

2) Why not let law enforcement handle this? It has been three days. Why not report this? Are you not concerned about evidence being destroyed or lost?
Dana Bash says the FBI told her they had not been asked to investigate, and that the Capitol Police have said they are not investigating. Two semantical differences. When pressed by John King on Sunday night [note: cannot find the video of this exchange on CNN’s website], Bash said that based on her knowledge of Capitol Police protocol, if they had been asked to investigate, they would be doing it. So in essence, Weiner has not reported the hacking or pranking or whatever he wishes to call it to any law enforcement agency.

Weiner has previously been involved in the formulation of cyber-security legislation, but suddenly, he doesn’t think hacking a congressman’s account and sending lewd photos from it (not to mention viewing all the private information inside the congressman’s account) to be anything to be concerned with.

These positions are inconsistent, and logically lead to a conclusion that Weiner knows who is responsible for the photo and the tweet and does not wish to have them investigated, publicized or prosecuted. With his resistance to reporting the crime (if he was not personally responsible for the photo’s transmission through his accounts), Weiner is protecting the perpetrator. In the meantime, aspersions are being cast on innocent persons, particularly right-wing tweets and bloggers. Weiner needs to allow their names to be cleared—either through an admission that he knows the perpetrator or by getting law enforcement on the case.

3) Why did you hire a lawyer?
If Weiner is not going to report this to the authorities, then has he hired a lawyer to protect himself? Is he concerned that Ms. Cordova will come after him for harassment? Or is he concerned that the high school girl that claims she “talked” with him will have her parents come after him? Or are there other Twitter problems lurking out there for him?

I have to wonder whether Weiner knows that as the “victim” of a crime, that the district attorney would be his free lawyer as well. Someone, please tell Mr. Weiner that they’ll do all the criminal prosecuting for him.

4) Why are you following 21-year-old college student [across the country from you]?
Indeed. It’s not as if he follows everyone of his 45,000-plus followers. He follows less than one half of one percent of his followers. Why her and not 44,800 others?

+) Did you send the photo or not?
He will not say no. Instead he called Ted Barrett, the CNN producer who asked him this question several times, a “jackass.” As the producer says, “All you have to say is ‘no.'” If the answer is no, does he know who did? This goes back to question number 2.

+) Did you follow Ms. Cordova on Twitter? If so, how did you find her?
All of the above are questions that Mr. Weiner has been asked directly and plainly by the media, but he has refused to answer. If he did not follow Ms. Cordova, he should say so to end the speculation and insinuations to her reputation that they were involved in a Twitter affair. (Perhaps she only followed him, which would still allow him to send the lewd photo to her by private Direct Message, but would have left her unable to privately tell him to stop it.)

He has tried to claim that he does not know her. Does this mean he did not ever meet her in person (likely) or he has never interacted with her at all, beyond clicking her follow button but never having sent or received a tweet or private message to or from her?

The big question not asked in this contentious exchange: Did you privately tweet with Ms. Cordova at any time? Not necessarily sending her any photos, but even the most innocent exchange.

Another question no one has bothered to ask: Do you customarily, or even occasionally, send private messages to your fan followers (not just professional acquaintances or media or governmental persons)?

+) Another reporter or producer there asked why he follows so many women in his account. But he doesn’t really follow an excessive ratio of women to men. It’s more who these women are. Most appear to have no connection to his district or legislation or committees. Going back to my elaboration of question 4, my question would be, why did you choose to follow this select group of women out of your 47,000+ followers? What made you decide to include them in your very small, select Twitter inner circle?

Unfortunately in Mr. Weiner’s Weinerburg press conference, he behaved like the most despicable of politicians. The only “new fact” he would give in the interview was when he took a moment to mock a fellow congressman, a woman, whom he has been obsessed with on Twitter in trying to have more followers than she has. That woman is Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN), whom he derisively has nicknamed “Crazy” on Twitter. This also fits in Mr. Weiner’s pattern of having low regard for treating women in a gentlemanly fashion on Twitter.

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Porn Star Says Weiner Sent Her a Private Message

Ginger Lee—a porn star, stripper and fan of Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-NY9)—was ecstatic on March 13 2011:

Ginger Lee’s tweet said: You know it’s a good day when you wake up to a DM from @RepWeiner. (I’m a fangirl, y’all, he’s my trifecta of win.)

[NOTE: DM is a Twitter abbreviation for Direct Message, in which a tweet is sent privately and only to the one recipient. To send a DM, the person you wish to message must be following you on Twitter. Ginger must have been following @RepWeiner for him to DM her. He would not necessarily have to have been following her to send the DM. However, a tweet was publicly broadcast by @patriotusa76 back on April 12 saying that Weiner only followed 91 people at that time, and it names “PORN star Ginger Lee” as one of them. PatriotUSA76 aka Dan Wolfe appears to have been on Weiner’s trail for some time now and has been tweeting his curious finds to various blogs and conservative websites, apparently to no avail.]

Following Ginger’s excited announcement of receiving a DM from Weiner, a few Ginger and/or Weiner fans piped up with questions:

@MilesLord asks @GingerLee: How do u DM people, and why the heck is Congressman Weiner DM-ing u??? To which @GingerLee replies: Because he is one of my heroes, & a DM from him is like a DM from Buddha.

And then there was this:

Ginger Lee tweeted to @starchild111: He thanked me for the shout-outs and said he likes my blog. (I died a little inside…in a good way.)

A couple months ago, around the time of this message, @Starchild111 was a high school girl who was trying to get Weiner to be her prom date. She was overjoyed when he followed her, upset when conservatives laughed that Weiner was trolling the school yard, and dismayed when he unfollowed her. Starchild has deleted her twitter account. I only just found her last night, so I have no knowledge of when she deleted it, but I have found tweets by her as recent as May 18.

Starchild is not the only teenage girl with a crush on Weiner that he has followed. There’s another one that he has apparently had an on-again, off-again following involvement with for a couple months. And he’s currently following her again now.

This pattern of behavior, following and DMing young women that apparently have no relation to his district or his work, fits in with the suspected behavior of him DMing a crotch shot to a college girl in Seattle. Weiner is claiming his Facebook account was hacked, which doesn’t explain how the photo was uploaded to his yfrog account and then tweeted from his twitter account (that he was tweeting on around that time, including after the supposed hacking).

For more coverage on #Weinergate, see these excellent roundups:

I have more that I have found. Still sorting through it to see if there’s anything else to contribute to fleshing out the full extent of #Weinergate.

UPDATE [5/29/11 6:00pm]
Thanks to The Other McCain for the linkage. Welcome, TOMers.

Yukyuk: In a bit of irony, back in May 2004, Rep. Weiner introduced legislation to stop sexual harassment on college campuses:

“Institutions of higher learning have a responsibility to establish clear boundaries between acceptable and unacceptable conduct on campus,” said Rep. Weiner. “That means putting students on notice from day one that sexual harassment of any kind will not be tolerated.”

Perhaps Weiner’s just been conducting online research for some new legislation?

UPDATE II: [5/29/11 6:30pm]
Thanks for the links from JustPaste.It and

UPDATE III: [5/29/11 7:15pm]
Thanks for the links, DaTechGuy and DailyCaller!

UPDATE IV: [5/29/11 7:25pm]

Oops…and not to forget, thanks to Velvet Hammer at Ironic Surrealism, Gateway Pundit and AceOfSpades.

Another yukyuk: The Wall Street Journal has posted a very short little AP story regarding Weinergate. Note the pronunciation key they give in the first sentence. When was the last time you read an AP story that had that?:

NEW YORK — A spokesman for New York Rep. Anthony Weiner (WEE’-nur) says a lewd photograph sent from the Democrat’s Twitter account is just “a distraction” perpetrated by a hacker.

Weiner spokesman Dave Arnold told The Associated Press in an email Sunday the Twitter episode was “a distraction” from the congressman’s “important work representing his constituents.”

The photo showed a man’s bulging underpants.

It first was reported Saturday by, a website run by conservative commentator Andrew Breitbart. The site said the photo was tweeted to a woman in Seattle.

The photo was quickly deleted.

Weiner later joked about it on Twitter, asking whether his kitchen blender would be next to “attack” him.

UPDATE: [5/30/11 9:00am]
Thanks for links from Doug Ross, The Pajamas Media Tatler, American Power and Verum Serum.

UPDATE: [6/1/11 1:30am]
Thanks to the following linkers (and welcome to their readers!)
Daily Beast
American Spectator

Plus, thanks to Socialite Life, Carolyn Castiglia, Newsvine, Just Barking Mad, Temple of Mut, Ragan’s PR Daily, Conservative Blogs Central, and Texas Sparkle.

UPDATE [6/1/11 11:45]

The Daily Caller has a new story in which Ginger Lee emailed them a nonresponse to all of their questions, except to say:

“I haven’t met Rep Weiner. I follow him on twitter because I support him & what he stands for,” Lee said in an email to TheDC. “I have been hounded by his political opponents but that hasn’t changed my view of him and what he fights for.”